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SUNDAY SERMON for 1-13-19

 

Sunday sermon video made 1-6-19-

1-6-19 Sunday sermon https://youtu.be/dh0hlcacIn4

https://www.facebook.com/john.chiarello.5/videos/10205204692995109/

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMikMM-7-sYRUoGRBQ 

 

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. 

https://youtu.be/wV6fqfHZP24 Sunday Sermon

https://vimeo.com/227535542 Sunday Sermon

https://ccoutreach87.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/7-23-17-sunday-sermon-c-u-verses.zip

https://ccoutreach87.com/7-23-17-sunday-sermon-c-u-verses/ 

 

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ON VIDEO-

.Isaiah’s vision

.Brief history of war

.Mosul- Iraq

.ISIS

.Mosul [why so little coverage of the civilian deaths?]

.Jesus end times teaching

.Hacksaw Ridge

.Pearl Harbor

.Hiroshima

.Nagasaki

.Winston Churchill

.Roosevelt

.Truman

.The bomb

.Joseph Stalin

.Did we need to drop the bomb?

.Where there political motivations [Like the dividing up of territory after the war]?

.911

.Death row story

.Bush

.Challenge the mindset

.Speak truth

 

Update- This Sunday I shared a ‘re-post’ of a past Sunday teaching- later today [1-13-19] I will try and post the video I make today to my sites [as of now- I’m not sure if I will make a video today].

I added the verses below [in the verses section] for the video I made for Sunday [ 1-6-19].

I have missed- or ‘passed up’ chances to to do some of my off the cuff videos this past week-

And I do plan on doing those updates from time to time.

As of now I’m trying to focus on posting videos and posts that teach.

Posts that will educate people- often times in areas that are really not that exciting.

But they are important.

As most of you know I read thru the bible- the whole bible- on a regular basis.

I do this every night- and have been doing it for years.

Why?

In order to teach- to communicate- you need to study.

As I have been learning new sites- going thru the whole process of developing effective systems to communicate-

I see that it is easy for the younger generation to master these types of skills- most kids in the 1st grade know how to use a smart phone!

Yet many of the older generation have never even learned how to get on-line.

But much of what people use these great advances in technology for are actually things that don’t matter- in the end.

So for now- I’ll leave this update as is.

I encourage you- all of you- to redeem the time- to use the skills you do have- for an eternal purpose.

When we teach the Word of God- and make plain the gospel- then yes-

It does have an eternal impact.

The simple message of the gospel has been handed down from generation to generation.

The apostle Paul hand wrote the letters we find in our New testaments [yes- he had others write for him as well- as he dictated].

But the point is- he had such limited resources and time- but the message of Christ was deemed so important that after he wrote the letters- he would send them out- and ask that the letters would also be read- passed around to the other communities as well.

And it was in this simple act of discipline and obedience- that we can Google each and every word Paul wrote-

And brilliantly it will pop up on every device you can imagine.

But first- he had to sit- and write- at times he practiced this discipline- even while sitting in a jail cell.

So I guess this little update has some teaching value-

And Yes- I had to set aside about 20 minutes to do it!

God bless you all-

John

 

Past notes here-

I made 2 videos on this Sunday- not realizing it was ‘planned’ that I would do this.

On Sunday I usually cover the verses- message from one of the local churches I attend- and the verses from the Sunday Mass.

 

But I also wanted to cover some breaking news- and tried to to that on the first video-

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/07/24/isaiah-6/ 

Which I posted the other day.

 

 I also talked about war- killing- the political motivations that have played an role in war.

I also talked about Isaiah 6 on the first video of that Sunday.

 

Then I went to church- Church Unlimited.

Pastor Bil Cornelius is doing a series ‘’at the movies’’ - and he showed clips of the movie Hacksaw Ridge.

 

The true story of a Christian who took the commandment-

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

as meaning he should never kill another- not even in war.

 

During the service I was getting worried because there were not a lot of verses I could speak on.

I didn’t have time to listen to the Sunday mass on the radio- so I figured I would use the verses from the sermon.

 

But there weren’t many-

So- I just waited for Bil to share a verse or 2 while they were showing clips of the movie.

 

Those are the verses I talk about on today’s video.

Most people who have seen the movie will rightfully praise the story of Desmond Doss-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_Ridge 

 

The christian conscientious objector who refused to kill- based on the plain words of the bible.

 

They will watch the story of how he risked his life by being a medic- and how God supernaturally protected him on the field- while heroically saving his own men.

 

Yet- many of us will miss the simple message.

Desmond took the words THOU SHALT NOT KILL literally.

 

He believed them- and sure enough- he was right- which is what makes the story so valuable.

 

Yet- many who view the movie will rarely re-think the causes of war- killing.

Many will praise Desmond for believing these words THOU SHALT NOT KILL and yet leave the theater- and continue to believe that war- killing- is ok.

 

One of the verses Bil quoted was actually what I taught about on the first video of this Sunday-

Isaiah 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

It was the prophetic calling of Isaiah- that would challenge the norms of the day.

As I taught on the other post- it was Isaiah challenging mindsets among the people of God.

 

How could they be so wrong in their sincere worship of God- and not actually see it?

I also taught on the verse-

 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John 16:2

 

And tried to challenge our our mindsets.

Could there ever come a time- when Christians think the killing of other Christians- for no good cause- or a fake cause- would be ‘doing God’s will’.

 

And yet- some Christians today hold to this view- not realizing they too have embraced a contrary mindset to the Word of God.

How?

 

During the Iraq war- some Iraqi Christians who served in the army- were indeed killed- by well meaning American Christian soldiers-

 

This killing was based on false Intelligence that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

We later found out we were wrong.

 

Now- I simply want you to see how many Christians in our day- still think that those few Christian soldiers in the Iraqi army- who were killed by us- was still a good thing.

 

I do not fault our men for doing this- I hold the leaders of our country responsible for starting an unjust war.

Yet those who were killed- on false pretense- were killed unjustly.

 

And yet- many in the Western world still think it was not only good that we did that-

but it was actually pleasing to God.

I found it interesting that this Sunday I made 2 videos- and sure enough- they both fit.

John.

Video’s I upload nightly to my sites- [Past posts below]

1-12-19 Real Time teaching- message to my sites- video and web  https://youtu.be/PdacJx3Pe0I

Homeless friends [Stephen has since died] https://youtu.be/P6oBH4MqQmg 

10-29-17 Sunday sermon  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAzjMeporlw0zrw4 

Telos  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qjRffrtTePL1zXb6WIkXnNaBeIDagMB2/view?usp=sharing 

 

Cup- NYC view  https://ln.sync.com/dl/0e1c97610/484qsxqy-pre36z99-h33rhvzm-nmfdemcq 

7-8-18 Sunday sermon  https://vimeo.com/295146459 

 

Samuel 18  https://youtu.be/agFcXbEFZ5s

Acts 22  https://youtu.be/rUV-gp_WDY0 

10-28-18 Sunday sermon  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAmiIi_CNnIIiGKw 

6-17-18 Sunday sermon  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1arVsN-xEli9uEUEdqZomMnPzitmH3mpG/view?usp=sharing 

Ephesians 3  https://www.bitchute.com/video/rRUlZvxmoLpE/ 

Acts 14   https://d.tube/v/ccoutreach/ay8utdkw 

Jean Paul Sartre  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAcObSUR3Cr9mgis  

6-10-18  Sunday sermon  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mbJrlAJbNXNvEPUwR9F-J8Wt5_B40YJR/view?usp=sharing 

Ephesians 5  https://www.dropbox.com/s/1zau14j5ba1728k/2-1-18%20Ephesians%205.mp4?dl=0 

NYC skyline  https://bit.tube/play?hash=Qmeg12y1qduo149HCz5vMe3JvfJo2ytYUCygsupcAueuKZ&channel=160276 

 

1-8-19 Friends- Robert https://youtu.be/MfsSkgB9WIY

https://www.facebook.com/john.chiarello.5/videos/10205211345281412/ 

1-9-19 News update  https://youtu.be/SZNbu_2QA94

https://www.facebook.com/john.chiarello.5/videos/10205213870464540/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BTgcIIYNi4Qf/ 

 

Apostle Allen- Hebrews 5 https://youtu.be/9GgqxXc8tdg 

Kings 12  https://youtu.be/UWD62pvnvaI 

Teaching- friends  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAaMI36xgeSHesIj 

God- science- logic  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vC16P3aMQvifjmzcCbrKA3LepElJnV4m/view?usp=sharing 

91st st. - NYC skyline   https://ln.sync.com/dl/3bb6abb50/d76mmtj6-azd3vyam-zfw2pegs-vdvh4sna 

 

Real time teaching  https://dai.ly/x7020k6 

Acts 26  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhANHyf1eoDE942_f 

James 2  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MQnYgce8Mwbiyja3w1TDafXLKFu-2GJe/view?usp=sharing 

1-7-18  Sunday sermon  https://www.bitchute.com/video/QBE6oG3zULQI/ 

Mark 15  https://youtu.be/KwvLE_iXW28 

 

God of the living  https://youtu.be/blfxWkI-YXo 

10-22-17  Sunday sermon  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAG-f-ZblazGnKY- 

James 1   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOQrZmDp257tueFi1E4u3DipSTaE6oHI/view?usp=sharing 

Friends   https://mega.nz/#!GeBGlIQI!ePj3ZgfqxWPrwBswW7h4-S0LDSwyrgI1A7oQiUMUOlQ 

Colossians 3  https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZsDfx7Zm6e0l6CxmyJ0iQikS1TXI72eHC3y 

 

Samuel 14  https://youtu.be/Ce5lX3hWd-E

8-5-18 Sunday sermon  https://youtu.be/lE0hf4rdli4

Fear and Trembling  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMhAA6lExnCZupW6NG 

Church history  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cz0Kyt77nZ6dsA93KOJjDbVii5tiqzTu/view?usp=sharing 

James- Fairview- New Jersey  https://bit.tube/play?hash=QmcX3EkMTR4kFoNfXKznGfHdNAQSRvix6NJ2rMFYGokPMu&channel=160276 

11-11-18 Sunday sermon  https://d.tube/v/ccoutreach/40igr6ou 

10-21-18 Sunday sermon https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMg38CbpmDOnzwmgkY

John Locke  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AAVBBVSygarsfTOEvPyhhz-GQv2C8XER/view?usp=sharing 

Rocks n Keys [North Bergen- N.J.]  https://ln.sync.com/dl/f7336b4b0/fxdy7g6s-zy7vuctc-akixbg4c-kuqg9rdn 

The seed  https://www.bitchute.com/video/j42vi1PCmrvA/ 

8-6-17 Sunday sermon  https://youtu.be/_WsxrWOtaYI 

Samuel- homeless friends  https://1drv.ms/v/s!Aocp2PkNEAGMiCHBaXXLlFT4Jwur 

Does God exist  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qcwpjO4wH24KoTuY8tnlTnacuNtQdtPl/view?usp=sharing 

Teaching with Henry  https://flic.kr/p/27VAnuQ 

Neil - Homeless friend   https://dai.ly/x6xcitv 

 

PAST POSTS [ Past teaching I did that relates to today’s post- SUNDAY SERMON-verses below]

 

https://ccoutreach87.com/romans-updated-2015/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/07/24/isaiah-6/

https://ccoutreach87.com/john-complete-links-added/

https://ccoutreach87.com/protestant-reformation-luther/

https://ccoutreach87.com/islam/ 

https://ccoutreach87.com/galatians-links/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/01/26/acts-2/ 

 

 

(854)ROMANS 10: 1-13 Many years ago I referenced all the back up scriptures for this chapter [and book!]. The study was intense because I saw a fundamental ‘fault line’ that ran thru many in the Evangelical church [the revivalist tradition]. The ‘fault line’ was reading this chapter as in if it were saying ‘ask Jesus into your heart, or you won’t be saved’. Now, I have no problem with those who trace their conversion to an experience like this. But I want to give you my understanding of this chapter, based on the exhaustive study I did years ago. Also, I will probably quote some verses and you will have to find them later [I forget where they all are]. Paul begins with his desire for ‘all Israel to be saved’. I taught in chapter one how come the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Because all who believe ‘become righteous’. After 9 chapters of Romans, we have seen that when Paul refers to ‘justification by faith’ this is synonymous with ‘believing with the heart unto righteousness’. Here Paul’s desire is for Israel to experience ‘all facets of salvation’ [present and future] to ‘be saved’. Now, he will say ‘Christ is the end of the law to all who believe’ Israel did not attain unto ‘righteousness’ because they sought after it by trying to keep the law. But it comes only by faith. Then Paul quotes a kind of obscure verse from Deuteronomy saying ‘Moses says the righteousness which is by faith’ [note- this whole description that follows is describing ‘the righteousness that comes by faith’] and says ‘the word is near thee, in thy mouth and heart’. Paul then says ‘whoever calls on the Lord will be saved, with the heart a man believes and becomes righteous [which according to Paul means ‘justified’] and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation’. In this text, Paul once again is ‘dividing’ the common understanding of ‘salvation’ meaning ‘getting initially saved’- which is ‘believing and being justified’. And simply saying ‘believers will inevitably call and be saved’ [in a generic sense]. Why would he do this? In the context of his argument, he is simply showing the ‘righteousness which is from the law’ [the man under the law is described as ‘doing something’ continuing under the load and strain of law] versus the ‘righteousness which is by faith’ [described as a person who believes and speaks, as opposed to ‘does stuff’]. It is not inconsistent for Paul to use the term ‘confessing and being saved’ as speaking of something different than meaning ‘accepting Christ into your heart’. Paul is simply giving a description of those who believe ‘all who believe will call’. And yes, they will and do experience ‘salvation’. It’s just in this example Paul is not saying ‘they are saved initially upon confession, calling’. At least not ‘saved’ in the sense of ‘getting justified by faith’. Why? Because the rest of the chapter doesn’t make a whole lotta sense if he were saying this. ‘How can they call on him in whom they have not believed’? He already showed us that ‘believers are justified’. The very argument Paul makes distinguishes between ‘believing unto righteousness, and calling unto salvation’. You can see it like this, there is a verse I stumbled across years ago. It is in one of the prophets [Old Testament] and it says ‘Gods wrath will come upon all them WHO HAVE NOT CALLED UPON HIM’. In this context Paul can be saying ‘whoever calls upon God will never enter judgment/wrath’ [a description of a particular lifestyle, remember Paul said Gods Spirit makes us cry ‘Abba Father’] in this light Paul can be saying ‘all who call [both Jew and Gentile- simply making an argument for inclusion. God accepts ‘all who call’] will not come under future [or present!] wrath’. This would be in keeping with Peters scathing sermon in Act’s where he quotes the Prophet Joel and says ‘whosoever calls upon the Lord shall be saved’. If you go back and read Joel you will see that in context he is saying ‘at the future time of God’s revealed judgment, those who cry for deliverance will be spared’. Peter quotes it in this context as well. He shows Gods future time of judgment and ends with ‘all who call will be saved’. How do we know that Peter was not quoting Joel for some type of ‘sinner’s prayer’ thing? Because after the Jews say ‘what should we do’? He doesn’t lead them in a sinners Prayer! I don’t want to be picky, I simply want you to see context. Paul has already established multiple times thru out this letter how righteousness comes to those who believe. One of the descriptions of ‘those who believe’ are they ‘call upon God’. They even call upon God ‘to save them’. In this chapter the reason Paul uses ‘whosoever calls upon the lord will be saved’ is to simply show God will deliver both Jews and Gentiles. His promise of salvation is ‘to all’. When he uses ‘believing and being made righteous’ along with ‘calling and being saved’ he obviously can not be speaking about the same thing! He even states it this way in his argument. ‘How can they call unless they already believe’? He was simply giving a description of ‘those who believe’. This ‘calling for salvation’ that ‘all who believe’ partake of can speak both of a ‘present tense’ being saved, that is from any and all types of bad things, and a ‘future tense’ deliverance from wrath. Even when Paul quoted David in Roman’s 4, he is ‘describing the blessedness of the man unto whom God will not impute sin’ [Psalms 32] if you go back and read that psalm David says ‘for this shall EVERY ONE THAT IS GODLY PRAY UNTO THEE’. David uses this in the context of his confession of his sin. So the ‘everyone that is Godly’ describes ‘the righteous’ and they WILL CALL! Also in 2nd Corinthians Paul quotes Isaiah ‘now is the acceptable time, now is the day of salvation’ in the context of ‘God heard you and saved you’. Why would Paul use this in 2nd Corinthians? They need not be told ‘pray and get saved’. In context he used it to encourage them to return back into full communion and fellowship after their restoration and reproof he gave them in the first letter. He is saying ‘I rebuked you guys harshly, you repented and asked for forgiveness. God ‘heard you’ in his acceptable time, now get over it and ‘be restored’. Salvation to them came by ‘calling’ but it was not describing an initial conversion experience. Well, I didn’t realize I would go so long, but this is a good example of having a ‘holistic view’ of scripture. You try and take all the quotes the writers are using, put them in context of the broad themes of scripture. Add that to the immediate context of the letter [Romans] and then come to a deeper understanding of truth. I am not against those who see this chapter thru an evangelistic lens, I just think the way I taught it is more faithful to the text. [NOTE- Thru out this site I have taught the doctrine of ‘the salvation of the righteous’. I mentioned it earlier in Romans and have spoken on it before. If you can find these entries they will add some insight to this chapter. NOTE- verse 20 actually has Paul quoting Isaiah ‘I was found by them who did not ask for me’. This would sure seem strange to say in the same chapter that taught a concept of ‘all who ask for me will enter the kingdom’. It is quite possible to ask and pray and confess everything ‘just right’ and still not find him. And according to this verse, the ones who did ‘find him’ [Gentiles] did not ask! After years of coming to the above understanding I read a church council [Council of Orange?] and I was surprised to see how they actually dealt with the issue of believing versus ‘calling upon God’. They quoted some of these texts to show that before a person could call upon the Lord, he first needed faith. They used this example to show Gods sovereignty in salvation. I though it interesting that they came to the very same conclusions that I did. They even used the same examples! This shows you how the corporate mind of the church is manifestly expressed thru out the ages. I think the council was in the 8th or 9th century?

 

(855)ROMANS 10:14-21 [Just a note for the previous entry. In the conversions recorded in scripture [Acts] do you know how many times there is a reference to ‘calling upon the Lord’ during the conversion? Surprisingly one time. The conversion of Saul [Paul]! During one of the ‘re-tellings’ of his own story he says ‘I was told to arise, and be baptized. Washing away my sins while calling upon the Lord’. Wow, could we have arguments over this one! Do you identify the ‘washing away of sins’ with baptism or the ‘prayer’? I actually previously taught [somewhere on this long blog!] how in the 1st century Jewish mindset ‘washing from uncleanness’ and water were related. I taught it in a way that did not teach ‘baptismal regeneration’ but more along the lines of ‘discipleship’ you might find the entry under ‘my statement of faith’. The point I want to make here is Paul spent 3 days after the Lord appeared to him before he actually got baptized and made an open confession of faith. Paul’s reputation was so bad [he killed Christians!] that his conversion and confession needed to have all the weight possible. Others needed to know that he now ‘confessed Christ’. Most commentators will look to the appearance of Jesus to Paul on the Damascus road as his conversion. The point I want to make is in the book of Acts, the main ‘altar call’ was actually baptism. This was the normal means to identify with the believing community. We also see the fact that once people believed, they then were baptized. The same distinction can be made with ‘confessing’. Neither can take place until one believes. I would assume that Paul said something like this at his baptism ‘O Jesus, please forgive me for what I have done. I killed your people and have committed a terrible crime’. There obviously were some serious things he needed to confess! But the overall view of conversion in Acts does not show a ‘sinner’s prayer’ type conversion.] Paul indicts Israel ‘The word did come to you, you didn’t believe’. He also quotes Moses ‘God said he would provoke you to jealousy by a nation who were “no people”’. We are beginning a portion of Romans where Paul will try and explain the dynamic of Gods purpose for Israel, and his ‘use’ of the Gentile nations to ‘make them jealous’. When we studied the parables we saw this dynamic at work. Israel was offended that God [Messiah] was offering equal access to the promises of Israel thru Jesus. Israel was jealous of this free grace. Paul shows them that Moses prophesied that this day would come. You also see this in Stephens sermon in Acts chapter 7 ‘Moses said the Lord would raise up a prophet like me [Jesus!]’ and then Stephen shows how Israel also did not recognize that Moses was the intended deliverer of the people. So likewise 1st century Israel also did not recognize their Messiah [the first time around!]. God’s acceptance of the Gentiles was difficult for Israel to embrace. It took a divine vision for Peter, and he still ‘fell back’ into a caste system mentality. God is not finished with these dealings [Paul will say in the next few chapters] and he will make every effort to show both Jews and Gentiles that they are both important pieces to this ‘divine puzzle’. He will even warn the Gentiles ‘don’t get proud, if God cut off the true branches to graft you in, watch out! He might do the same with you.’ Paul is striving for both Jew and Gentile to live in harmony as much as possible, he did not want to come off as a defender of the Gentiles only. He was ‘defending the gospel’.

 

(857)ROMANS- Let me overview a little. This entry goes along with the last one [#856- those of you reading this straight from the Romans study will need to find it under one of the ‘teaching’ sections]. Paul deals with the issue of ‘being provoked by/to jealousy’. Many times believers remain divided because of pride and jealousy. We often do not want to accept the fact that God actually is working thru other camps, groups of Christians who are ‘not like us’. It challenges our very identity at times! We feel like ‘well, my whole experience with God has been one of coming out of [name the group- for many it’s Catholicism] and I KNOW that I have found and experienced God by leaving mistaken concepts about God. Therefore any other ‘defender’ of Catholics is challenging my core experience’. I myself attribute my conversion to ‘leaving religious ideas’ and reading the bible for the first time. Though I had various believers witnessing to me, it was the actual reading of Johns gospel [and the whole New Testament] that clinched it for me. The reality of ‘whoever believes’ as opposed to religion. But my own experience should not limit [in my mind] the reality of others who also embraced the Cross without ‘leaving’ their former church. It is quite possible that other ‘Catholics’ arrived at a serious level of commitment to the Cross, while remaining faithful to their church. Now I realize this in itself can become an issue of contention, all I want to show you is we should not limit the power of the gospel to our own personal experience. During the recent controversy [2008] over certain Pentecostal expressions of ‘revival’ some old time churches simply made a case against all the Charisms [gifts] of the Spirit. The fact is most theologians accept the gifts of the Spirit as being for all ages of the church. Sure, there have been problems with them, even early on [the Montanists] but the fact is there has always been some type of Charismatic expression of Christianity thru out the church age. But the more Reformed brother’s sound [and are often!] more ‘biblical’ than some of the crazy stuff that happens under the banner of ‘Pentecostal/Charismatic’. So the divisions exist. In this chapter [Romans 11] Paul is dealing with a very real dynamic that says ‘I find my whole identity in the way God has worked with me for centuries [Judaism]. The fact that he began a new thing with other groups who I detest [Gentiles] has offended me to the point where I can’t even experience God any more’. Israel could not see past her own experience with God. The fact that God was ‘being experienced’ by other groups in ways that seemed highly ‘unorthodox’ did not mean that their former experience was illegitimate. It simply meant that Gods experience with them was always intended to ‘break out’ into the broader community of mankind. They lost this original intent and used their ‘orthodoxy’ as a means of self identification. An ‘elite’ religious class, if you will. I find many of these same dynamics being present in the modern church. We should stand strong for orthodoxy, we also need to expose and correct error when it gets to a point where many believers are being led astray. But we also need to be able to see God at work in other groups, we should not use our own experience with God [no matter how legitimate it is!] as the criterion of what’s right or wrong.

 

(861)Romans 11:13- ‘For I speak to you Gentiles, in as much as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office’. Let me just make a few comments today. How is Paul 'exercising’ his apostolic authority over the Gentiles in Rome? We know he hasn’t been there yet [since becoming a follower of Jesus]. He did not have some type of relationship with them where they contributed to him. He was holding no ‘church services’. He exercised it by speaking into their lives and caring for their welfare. He did this by WRITING THIS LETTER! Recently there has been some discussion on ‘Gods government’ and the apostles ‘bringing things into alignment’ [dealing with the mistakes at Lakeland]. Lots of talk that I am familiar with. What is Gods government? In the world we have 2 competing ‘world views’- systems or modes of operation. You have God’s kingdom, and then the worlds system. When the apostle John said ‘love not the world, neither the things that are in the world’ he was referring to this system of lies and pride and sin. In Gods kingdom you operate under his laws ‘love the Lord thy God with all thy heart… and your neighbor as yourself’. In this family [children of God] you have different types of ‘gifts’. Some are apostles, others prophets, etc. All these gifted ones are given for the singular purpose of building you up so you can have a mature faith grounded in Christ and be the ‘glorious temple’ of God in the earth. Paul was playing his part by communicating Jesus to these Roman Gentiles. He did not have some type of a corporate relationship with them where he said ‘commit to my authority over you. Either I will be your ‘covering’ or someone else!’ These are mans ideas. Now, we often say ‘Paul didn’t receive money from the Corinthians, but he did from the other churches’. I have said this myself. Paul did receive support from the Philippians, but that was support for his traveling ministry. To get him to the next place. If you read carefully you will see Paul telling the Thessalonians ‘when I was with you I did not eat, or take stuff for free. My hands ministered to both me and those that were with me’ I think he even said he worked night and day. When he spoke to the Ephesians elders in the book of Acts, he also said ‘I labored when I was with you, I did not take support from you

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